I want something that goes bang when I pull the trigger, and I could care less how heavy or gritty that might be. When something becomes familiar, inattention and negligence become more likely. But otherwise it still is a pretty good gunfight scene. Victoria: I agree about the Colt SAA. the safety doesnt enter into it. Thats a lot more true to life (in my admittedly inexperienced opinion) than most movies, especially westerns. Training is nothing more than repetition. An insignificant cretin crying for attention in a world that has left him far, far behind. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'guntradition_com-leader-2','ezslot_6',115,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-leader-2-0');All this comes from an old incident within the New York City Police Department. Some of these points were deliberately avoided for reasons Ill get into. To fire the pistol, the trigger safety and the trigger itself must be deliberately depressed at the same time. Back in the old days of guns, they didn't really have any safety at all. Brain farts are a universal malady that effects 100% of all humans and the Glock and its clones are probably the least idiot proof handgun ever invented. Question: If it lands on its muzzle could it not go out-of-battery? Thats a bunch of bologna written by writers who know nothing about guns. Many striker/plastic pistols, like the S&W Sygma, have actual DA triggers, that do not use glocks UN safe-action trigger scheme. Ever. On the other hand, most other striker-fired pistols count on the recoil spring to cock the striker. Some might even have second strike capability, which is the real holy grail. Not much difference really. My point is that I see no benefit in limiting my defensive options. The Glock trigger is too light and too short to be safe. Is it safe to carry a round in the chamber? Thought about getting the Sig with the external safety, but decided not too. There we go. Whats the big deal? Glock 22 Gen 3 (Photo: Gunprime) The full-size Glock 22 was made to fill the gap between .45 and 9mm. Of course, older designs without an internal firing pin block can go off if dropped. But as Sam has pointed out, one needs to practice and I have. . Sacrilegious. In the case of the 43X, the barrel is 87mm or 3.41 inches long. Your local police do exactly that. They like it this way. While holstering, train yourself to make damn sure theres nothing in the way. Agreed. The Baltimore Police Department, Los Angeles Police Department, Miami Police Department, and Maryland State Police are all known to utilize the Glock handgun. In my own case I carry a gun because ITS MY GODDAMN RIGHT and being prepared for the defense of my life is a purely secondary concern. Wouldnt it be actually quicker to rack the slide than to retrieve your weapon from a locked box? I have no problem carrying chambered but around the house or at the park I do not. I asked administrator. Glock handguns are extremely personalized, and gun owners have the choice to change out sights and sets off. Ugggghhhhhh why are we still talking about this? That connected to the trigger, which only dropped out of the way when the trigger was fully pressed. I've never been to the range with you and I know . I just grabbed a shirt from the laundry pile. This should convince you that your glock is safe to carry chamber loaded and you won't have to worry about blowing your 'nads off. Heres how all of this bogus started. Passive safeties Are Not A Replacement for an active safety. It will catch on and you will be a rock star! gun owner would not have a clue on how the gun actually worked or how dangerous it was to handle and carry because what a Moron cannot see a Moron does not fear. So, us non-glockentines keep a low pro on discussing polymers and plastics, but if I had to go to war tomorrow, you can it would be an all steel weapon. Have you ever failed to yield the right of way when making a left turn? I carry a 5 shot .357 magnum revolver a good deal of the time. Your taste is in your ass., Your brains (what little you have) are in your ass. One of the first shoot houses ever built was built by Fairbairn and Sykes to train their officers. Its your right to self defense. Five years ago I reviewed the Glock 43, the second pistol in Glock's "Slimline" series of thin grip pistols. But people *MODIFY* (for chrissake) their Glocks trying to make the trigger compete with a 1911, then wonder why they shot their foot off. If you carry a modern pistol with an exposed trigger, you are own your own. ended up in the guys nostril, and he still didnt get quiet, until he heard the cocking of the hammer. Because they have no external safety, Glocks are quicker to draw and fire. Been reading the thread here on this topic, since we all have an O I quite agree with your spot on comment Sir. But if the gun has to be pointing at the ground for the problem to occur, then how big a problem can it be? I for one dont want to take the chance of fumbling around with a gun trying to rack the gun under pressure. Just the easier reloading of the old Ruger 3 screw models (or any other regular types like the Colt SAA) vs the new ones, makes up for that one extra round, at least IMO. If you can have a momentary lapse of judgement handling a half million ft/lbs you could certainly have one while handling 350. It was called Fractured Fairy Tales, The difference between you and me is I am real you live in a virtual reality world oh and btw dummy they dont call it Glock perfection for nothing, Your rants always remind me of that long ago cartoon show. (AgCatJHS at English Wikipedia [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons)Here we have a conundrum. If anybody could advise me, I'd be grateful. Every time I drive. There are 5 in the house right now; computer room (where I am) living room, bathroom floor (beside the throne) and both sides of the bed. Im a lefty and the controls on the P 89 are completely ambitious I love SA/DA hammer fired autos. As long as you use some sort of holster that covers the trigger, and keep your finger out of the trigger area, leave the 19 in the holster, unless its needed, you wont have a problem. Stop buying Glocks. If dropped, the hammer could contact the primer and therefore, fire. Vlad as always you are full of stupid.most semi auto today are Glock wannabes I have carried a Glock 21 for years I fast draw hip shoot and yes stupid Vlad I always carry with one in the chamber, Vlad as always you are full of stupid.most semi auto today are Glock wannabes I have carried a Glock 21 for years I fast draw hip shoot and yes stupid Vlad I always carry with one in the chamber, Your rants always remind me of that long ago cartoon show. on second thought I dont wanna know. Which, of course, is why its better to keep your self-defense gun be it a concealed carry pistol or home defense gun or whatever with a round in the chamber. I have pocket carried for years, mostly using a clip such as a clip draw on my SIG 938, hammer down, safety on, round chambered. Muscle memory is a life saver when things go adrenaline slow MO mode, and those Taurus, PT-111s, have that thumb safety where Im used to one being, the pipe is red hot, and, eyeball to eyeball, it will fire again without re-racking the rear sights on someones nose. Seems more in line with your abilities. Perhaps why they werent interested in this modification, even though the investor designed it to be visually unobtrusive and to require minimal modifications to the original design. Does the Mossad or other Israeli special services Israeli carry? Amen! I actually think thats worth a healthy debate and article all on its own. I carry one in the chamber of my ruger P89 with 17 rounds in the magazine. The most common objection was something is better than nothing (or words to that effect). They are: Glocks are completely drop-safe and are one of the safest pistols you can carry. I dont expect hardware (or software) to compensate for a persons stupidity, as opposed to the opinion of many other people who think it should. Glocks have a trigger pull of 5-1/2 to 6 pounds. A few weeks went by & I realized I was safe. One near each upstairs door and one near the basement door. Love the Quigly Down Under reference. For 1911s, the danger is similar if you carry hammer down on a loaded chamber though I dont know why any somewhat intelligent person would do so. Am I being silly? I have no issue using any of my Glocks as a SD gun, nor do I have any issue using any of my 1911s, any of my revolvers, or any of my other guns. Does the Glock fire then? Ho Hum, Well written Who honestly gives a F*ck what someone else chooses to do. I submit extremely unlikely. I hope to later, but I just moved to a state that allows it, and our first child just turned one. Maybe you just fumble finger the Glock when its out of the holster being put in a lockbox or on the counter at the range. As stated above, Glocks are safe. So you are in reality arguing that if someone makes a *negligent mistake*, the Glock is more likely to discharge than another firearm. Nice catch. People who carry them are so rare that I felt like it wasnt worth mentioning, and Im probably still right. She was brave. you would do well to keep in mind that some people dont carry with a round in the chamber not because theyre so afraid or lack of training but because simply of where they live and the laws that exist there if they did they would be constantly administratively chambering and unchambering a round throughout their day while doing so in their vehicle Some people were never meant to have a handgun I suppose. What you are overlooking is the odds. Glockster20. OFC, in an experiment such as DGs above, we have to have that case in some sort of chamber, to hold the round in perfect position in line with the front of the firing pin while some other device provides the inertia to fire. Here we have a conundrum. This subject is DOA just like the OP. Big Bill: First, mad would need to learn what punctuation is for. Agree with the author 100%. and so as to keep continuity in their mindset they keep that same gun on the headboard at night with no round in the chamber so that there wont be any confusion That was a few years ago now. But that would mean giving up my beloved 1911! The others can safely be carried with a round under the hammer, with little to no chance of firing if the hammer should be hit or snagged. Yes, you're being silly. Modern shooter often often dont want to fiddle with something complex. One or two chances to mess up with an empty chamber, but thousands (or hundreds of thousands) of chances to ventilate your own leg while taking a piss. I've carried both extensively. Even though they dont have safety, Glocks are not prone to negligent discharge and are completely safe to carry when done properly. Or remembering faulty? The Glock series of semi-automatic pistols features Glock's Safe Action System and a loaded chamber indicator.The Safe Action System comprises three passive safeties. Does the gun have a firing block mechanism. Like a handgun, the defensive long gun should be secured in a safe or one of the wall-mounted quick-access locks. Glock likewise provides a slimline design, which integrates features from the Gen 3 and Gen 5 Glock guns. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Because there are a lot of areas where carrying a firearm will bite you if you cant get it right. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. Almost always comes back to the trigger. . When the term "loaded" means a round in the chamber and you need to carry, either open carry or concealed, with an unloaded gun, training to be faster with your draw will be very important. Well, technically, you could also just not drop them I suppose. That is a good point that I have never heard before. So when do you get to be a klutz if youve taken the time to train those reactions until as the experts say you not only get it right, you cant get it wrong? My G19 pull is about 4-1/2# about the same as a lot of 1911 guns. And my Glock 17. Width: 1.18. Many of us brought this issue up at the time Farago sold out. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, troubleshooting, accessories, classifieds, and more! *, Keep your damn finger out of the trigger guard until your sights are on a target you intend to shoot and you should be training to do that automatically *even* while under stress. My God, WTF is wrong with people who bash others for simply doing what they choose to do? "The mountains are calling and I must go." Clearly not enough to train for scenarios where chambering a round can be life or death. Considering the capabilities of the average glock owner, in front of the muzzle is likely the safest place to be. Perhaps if someone drops their gun from two stories up and it lands muzzle down on somebodys head? Running this way I am even more vigilant about how I handle the gun. It is a DAO and . Its kind of unneeded though, because inertial firing pins can only build firing inertia on their own if the whole gun accelerates, and then stops suddenly. If you have a modern weapon in a holster that covers the trigger, you are in pretty good shape. Made up a little fixture to hold the gun on a piece of pipe, stood up on a ladder and let the gun fall onto its muzzle. YouTube it. Those stances, their great for cops and competition but IMO bot so great in a gunfight up close. It wont matter if the slide is in battery or not. I know, its a big word, all scary long and has lots of syllables, but try it out. Glock then redesigned the weapon as a striker fired weapon because they knew the average low I.Q. I think five guns is the bare minimum, and thats how I always answer the one gun question. Do u know what the 21 foot rule is? I thought it was just the cops and regulars of the IDF. Barnum should have said, There is a Moron born every minute so I guess I will have to say it for him. That carries over to shooting, believe it or not. I carry a Glock 21 with a round in the chamber I constantly handle the gun to keep excellent muscle memory if you dont want to have the gun fire dont touch trigger. Thank you very much. Learn your own weapon and try not to drop it, the last thing you do might be a good catch. Clinging to God and guns. Answer (1 of 30): The main reason to carry, is self defense. As a matter of fact in an extreme emergency you could carry the HK with no holster and in your pocket or even waist band but if you did the same thing with a Glock you would quickly blow your balls off in short order. Now getting older, I have trouble with body positions for competitions, so I dont enter very many club competitions anymore. Kathy Jackson suggests that doing this safely comes down to two things, equipment and habits. Still no safety. But how often are you a klutz when handling or holstering your firearm? always, just got the g23 and after the range it'll be in the rotation with the sigs. Dani: In the case of an inertial firing pin, nothing but a physical block on the firing pin itself will have the slightest effect.
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